39 Replies to “Re-Store ‘N Station in 3D”

    1. Why, DQ is the most overbilt business in Crozet. You do not need all that for a simple gas n go. We do not require homes to be bilt to thisnscale and expense, why business??

      1. Maybe I’m mistaken Edward but I believe it also doing good business. It’s design might have something to do with that.nnI also like the expense they put into preventing runoff from flowing into the nearby creek and polluting the area; petroleum products in the creek were quite a problem when the Exxon and Save-A-Lot stations were open for business.nnBut hey, I don’t have a degree in marketing, design, or business. I’m sure the owners of VA Oil just decided to spend that much for the sake of it.

        1. It was VA Oil who hired the architect to do the DQ building. To their credit the architect met with a number of community association members to get input. They actually reduced the number of pumps they could have installed so they could site the building so it would shield the neighbors from as much light as possible. Did everyone like everything in the final design the answer would be no, but I believe most felt VA Oil ended up putting up a well designed building that was a plus for Crozet instead of a box that looked cheap and designed to fall apart as soon as it paid for itself. As Evan stated VA Oil must have felt the expense was a good business decision.

          1. nnnnnnnOr, Va Oil thought it was not worth all the trouble that Restore N Station is going through.nDoes anyone even remember what the old service station that was there looked like? nDo you want unelected Community Association members telling you what your homes should look like? It is better to have a shack that is put up freely than the behind the scenes nonsense that is going on now…nn

          2. I feel sorry for you Edward. You clearly dislike your meighbors and the community that Crozet has become. You can’t erase what has happened here and your neighbors aren’t leaving. I hope you can finally come to terms with this.

          3. Save your sorryness for yourself.nYou don’t agree with me so here comes all the negative labels. You just don’t know what I like or dislike but, you just have to say something… I think that people will start leaving Crozet asnsoon as they realize that they have messed up the area worsenthan the one they left to come here in the first place. No need to erase whats happened. Thencurrent mix I doubt can be sustained…

          4. You’re not that hard to figure out. And I’m not packing. A lot of people in the community are working together to find something that does work,

          6. Do I understnad you correctly? You’re saying that VA Oil spent much much more than Restore simply so they didn’t have to “go through” what Restore is “going through.” That is terrible logic, illogical.nnNot to mention, Atwood Architects and VA Oil did “go through” what Restore N Station is “going through.” They had numerous public meetings and if you asked Bill, he’d tell you how many hoops they jumped through to get the building built.nnAnd yes, the old station was terrible. Not only was the building in poor condition, but they polluted the surface and groundwater. Donny washed down the pavement every day with the water running directly into the creek. I think nearly everyone in Crozet (save you) was relieved when it was closed and the new one built.nnAnd to correct your last statement, most people who live in Crozet, live in a housing development and therefore are told, by an their home owners agreement and association what their house may or may not look like.nnThere are reasons why we have building codes and review processes…

          7. You can have your opinion but, Inwant mine. You can only correct yourself… The old station was not terrible, it served the Community well. As far as your statement concerning how Mr. Seal maintained his property younare overstating yourself . He did not wash his pavement down every day. Why do you make this stuff up? And, I would bet that most people who live in the Crozet area are not told what their house may or may not look like. If you have this problem, fine. For some reason you like tonbelieve that everyone thinks like you. Va. Oil went down the path of least resistance and wound up with a very expensive building.nRestore N Station seems determined to get what they want. Good luck to them…nnnnn

  2. Who cares how this looks in 3D? The entire project is still an eyesore, will use more water than allowed, pollute the FreeTown neighborhood wells, promote 18-wheelers from I-64 to be turning on Rt. 250 less than a mile from schools and is generally an UNWANTED, UN-NEEDED addition to the scenic area of Yancey Mills. And now we see a 30 feet high two story commercial building is in the plan? PLEASE, fellow Crozetians, let’s not allow this developer to get away with this…now or EVER!

  3. I agree with Nrdukesr. I have watched Jeff Sprouse & Jo Higgins lie repeatedly to the county about the water usage. They treat the county and everyone else like they’re stupid. It was ruled that the numbers they presented were wrong, and they would need to apply for a special use permit. I can’t understand why the county granted the permit to people who were lying about the project in the first place. That permit is a death certificate for the well water used in homes on Free Town Ln.nThe road use is another thing. I spoke with VDOT and was basically told that they are going to have to intentionally create a bottleneck in traffic there. It’s going to be a nightmare. There will be traffic from I-64 coming in 24hrs a day for the new Crozet truck stop. It’s already difficult to turn on or off 250 for Free Town Ln. The kids that live on Free Town Ln now get to grown up in the back alley of a truck stop and wait for the school bus amidst this traffic. How does that not affect our safety & well being? What about the pollution to our ground water? They can build this monstrosity and the county is going to allow that? I can’t believe this. Thanks for protecting our safety & well being Albemarle County!!

    1. nnnnnnnWell, it is a fact. People do lie repeatedly to get what they want. Peoplenalso lie repeatedly to get the outcome they want. The road traffic issue is a joke. It will add no more to the road than the entrance to Old Trail does. To try to claim that the vast majority of trucks on I64 will go tonthe Restore N Station is a pathetic lie and would full fill any business’s wildest dreams of success. And since it will not be open 24 hours a daynand, the traffic study is not finished where do you get your numbers from? What is so hard about turning off of Route 250 on to Freetown Lane? The water issue has been settled.nThere used to be a Trucking Company right next to the Restore N Station property that ran it’s refrigeration units all night. No children were harmed and everyone got along. I suggest that this is all a power grabbing attempt by the unelected boards of Crozet. This is not Crozetnno matter where you throw your flags down. Even the state knows that.nBut, yes it is very sad that people will lie to try and get what they want…

      1. It doesn’t matter if this truck stop is open 24hrs a day because trucks will still be coming to fuel up on diesel 24hrs a day. The pumps will be open even if the “store” is not open. Traffic coming in & out of the truck stop in addition to the current traffic is going to create problems on 250. The problem with turning out of Free Town Ln and the truck stop is that traffic does not want to let anyone out, so a stoplight or something might be helpful. Also, the traffic study was completed and submitted by last Friday so you are also wrong about that. nThis whole project is way too large, the water issue has not been “settled”. The county is just permitting this eyesore to draw an enormous amount of water out of the ground daily without regard for neighboring wells. It appears that the county is not protecting property values either by allowing the gateway to Albemarle County to be a truck stop. The impact of this plan is disgusting.

        1. nnnnnnnDo you own a truck? Do you know someone who owns a truck? Do you know that hoards of trucks will be comingnthere 24 hours a day? Or, do you just want your way?nThe water issue has been settled. If the County permitsnit, the issue is settled. Since this appears to be built on the same model as DQ that must be an eyesore as well.nThis is not a gateway to Albemarle County either. Do you know where the actual boundaries are? Sounds likenyou are the owner of overpriced Albemarle County real estate. It is not up to the County to protect the value of your property. The overall traffic density of the area isnimpacted far more by the tract housing at Old Trail thannany combination of truck stops can provide. But, I’m sure that you can come up with more and better stuff like: The diesel fumes will cause all vegetation to whither and die causing massive duststorms that will turn area into wasteland, Lowering property values…nAnd what did the Traffic Study say?? Will he be wildlynsuccessfull or just another ho-hum truck stop?

          1. He’s building a truck stop because he knows he will do lots of business. Have you seen the plans as presented by the developer? They expect trucks 24hrs a day & since he used to own Brownsville Market I’ll bet that he knows a thing or 2 about about the volume of business he can do at a gas station on 250. Nevermind if he drives Brownsville out of business right after he sells it! It is up to the county to protect our safety & well being. They have not done so by allowing this project. Yes it will pollute the area & water, possibly dry up neighboring wells, it will cause traffic problems at a bus stop for school kids, and yes it will bring truckers here all hours of the night.nCrozet has 4 gas stations, we don’t need another. No, I do not own overpriced land, but you sound bitter. Either that or you have been bought & sold by the developer. Why are you so pro truck stop? Do you work for him? Is he your cousin Sue Bob’s brother-in-law? Why would you want the worst possible thing to be built on that land? Why would anyone want the traffic, the noise, and more diesel & gas tanks sunk into the ground in this area? Why would anyone want a truck stop here? FOUR gas stations is really not enough for you?

          2. nnnnnnnHow much tract housing is enough? Can you answer that? There is nothing takennfor granted in business. Considering the amount of money he will have to spendnhe will probably sell the place if he can. This gas station is not in Crozet. Why do you put it there? Making fun of me or whoever does not change the facts. It isnnot up to the County to protect people from business that wants to build on property that is zoned for business. No matter how you try to spin the story this thing is going to be built. Saying things that aren’t so will not change it. Yep, tract housing, coffee shops, gas stations,nother low wage useless business, welcome to your world. Did you really think that you could urbanize this area and have it all your way???

          3. Not that i’m pro another Gas station, but i recall they reduced this to only 16Hrs a day (not 24Hrs). Also i recall seeing that trucks weren’t allowed overnight parking. didn’t change did it??n

  4. I agree with Nrdukesr. I have watched Jeff Sprouse & Jo Higgins lie repeatedly to the county about the water usage. They treat the county and everyone else like they’re stupid. It was ruled that the numbers they presented were wrong, and they would need to apply for a special use permit. I can’t understand why the county granted the permit to people who were lying about the project in the first place. That permit is a death certificate for the well water used in homes on Free Town Ln.nThe road use is another thing. I spoke with VDOT and was basically told that they are going to have to intentionally create a bottleneck in traffic there. It’s going to be a nightmare. There will be traffic from I-64 coming in 24hrs a day for the new Crozet truck stop. It’s already difficult to turn on or off 250 for Free Town Ln. The kids that live on Free Town Ln now get to grown up in the back alley of a truck stop and wait for the school bus amidst this traffic. How does that not affect our safety & well being? What about the pollution to our ground water? They can build this monstrosity and the county is going to allow that? I can’t believe this. Thanks for protecting our safety & well being Albemarle County!!

  5. maybe with more parking space, this can be the morning hangout for the construction/contractor crews. Being sarcastic, but what is with the hangout of construction/trucks in the mornings at the Shell station, but the exon up the street is like a ghost town?

    1. Be brave, visit each one and see what it is like. These are just normal people that choose one place over another.

        1. It’s the parking. The Exxon has next to no parking. The new truck stop will take out 1/2 the parking at Brownsville Market when VDOT expands 250 to accommodate the unnecessary monstrosity of the new truck stop. Won’t it be great when 250 in Crozet is lined with this activity just like 29North? The county seems to allow this in our community and disregard our safety & the safety of our children. They’d rather bring in a big business like this that relies on fossil fuels and condemn our environment than encourage businesses that will actually bring jobs here.

          1. Thank the business-over-people Ken Boyd for this. He was pushing to give Jo Higgins all she wanted, and vocally sneered at and insulted the Crozet residents in the Auditorium during the hearing last year. the other supervisors do not have the guts to stand up against Boyd, as 3 -all old white-haired or bald men as well- of them act like his lap dogs (now finally Snow turned around a bit and thinks for himself).

          2. Hmm… If you think that it is truly a “gutsn” issue you should actually tell him how you feel. Does not take guts to slam someone online…

          3. nnnnnnnIt has nothing to do with parking. Visit each and see. And, This developement has nothing to do with Crozet and is not in Crozet. With the tract housing that is being built in the area you arencreating an urban area just like “up north” andnattracting the same type of people. Do you realize if you presented actual facts the County would be more inclined to listen?? Instead of nthis safety of our children stuff…n

          4. Yeah, we wouldn’t want those “people of that type” living in crozet, would we. Classy Mr Strauss. nnWow.

          6. According to him, they don’t live in Crozet. They live in some other town.

          7. “safety of our children stuff….” Some neighbor you are. Oh by the way I’m from NY so hate on me all you want, but how dare you question anyone’s concern over the safety of children

          8. When you use supposed “safety of our children” as an excuse for what you want I’ll call you on it every time. Are your children afraid of gass stations??

          9. You still don’t get it. There is a safety concern. A semi will squish a kid everytime. I guess to you that’s an acceptable business risk for ayankee kid

  8. And…
    —Increased traffic congestion with large tractor-trailers thrown into the mix challenging novice drivers and young children, attending the three schools in such close proximity, and the school buses transporting them.
    Collison between truck-trailer semi-trailer & school bus
    http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2002/HAR0203.pdf

  9. And…
    —Associated criminal activity to truck stops.
    FBI makes a connection between long-haul truckers, serial killings
    A bureau database includes more than 500 female victims, most of whom were killed and their bodies dumped at truck stops, motels and other spots along popular trucking routes crisscrossing the U.S.
    April 05, 2009|Scott Glover
    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/05/local/me-serialkillers5

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